Fedora News Updates #15
by Colin Charles
For the week of: Saturday, August 14 2004
Available at: http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/issue15.shtml
Issue fifteen is now out. Big things happening, especially with the
porting scene it would seem. The Docs sub-project has been very active,
and Rawhide is working well for the most part.
Fedora Core 3 schedule slips; FC1 EOL announced
But not by much, only a week! Test 2's freeze date was to be August
25th, but its now been moved
to September 1st
. Test 2 is scheduled to be released on September
13th now, and the updated schedule is now at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/
Of other interesting news, the end-of-life date for Fedora Core 1 has
also been announced (this being the date that Red Hat stop shipping
updated packages, and the Fedora
project takes over). September
has been chosen, as this is also the date Fedora Core 3
Test 2 arrives.
Fedora Docs Project
This project has been very active, sorting out documentation,
documentation writing policy, and updating the site. Some of the
interesting discussions that have been happening in the last fortnight
- DocBook setup & references was an interesting topic, with
lots of links brought in from the Docs project contributors. Dave
Pawson pointed to some
resources that he uses, while Mark Johnson pointed us to his
links. Also, if you're an Emacs/psgml newbie, there are more useful
resources at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2004-July/msg00064.html.
suggestions from Paul Frields came out, with Karsten Wade adding
on, and also creating a Writing
Lifecycle document, which should be more than a brain dump of
- Karsten brought up the topic about editors,
and processes defined there. Also mentioned the possible creation of an
- Tammy Fox is back after being away on leave, and she's been
active on Bugzilla, so a status
report was posted. Karsten outlined how the new
trackers should work.
- We desperately need an Installation Guide, so anyone willing to
write chapters within it should respond to the fedora-docs-list -
Karsten again, has started
the ball rolling.
Fedora Test Plans
Havoc Pennington recently asked for some clear test plans for the
Fedora project (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-July/msg00125.html
This would enable Red Hat QA as well as Fedora Project contributors to
have a good idea of what needs testing. Jonathan Blandford responded
saying that the GNOME accessibility project had some test plans (http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/testing/a11y_sanity_suite.html
as did Christopher Aillon with the Mozilla smoketests that even works
with plugins (http://www.mozilla.org/quality/smoketests/index.html
Jeff Spaleta was quick to jump in asking if the community
could help out
, and Havoc had a resounding yes to that. He
on an external wiki, but I don't think that's something
we should worry about :)
Ports of Fedora Core 2
Lennert Buytenhek has started porting
Fedora Core 2 to the Intel IXP2400, which has a 600MHz Big Endian
Xscale (ARM) core. He has about 550/950 packages built, and says it
surprisingly requires a lot less patches than he would have thought. He
also gives us more information about the architecture at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-August/msg00272.html
Warren Togami has a few suggestions as to how "porters" might submit
to Bugzilla and get them integrated quickly.
While not a port, Erik Jacobson has reported that Fedora Core
development (Rawhide) runs
fine on the SGI Altix
(ia64). His tests were centered around the
Altix 350, but he's pretty sure it'll work otherwise. While SGI
has no official position
on Fedora, Erik is willing to help out
anyone having issues.
There has also been a lot of talk about running Fedora Core on the
Alpha platform. Balint Christian has something saying it'll be really
, while Mike Barnes has actually posted a repository of the
work he's done, which is basically Fedora
Core 2 for the Alpha
, called Carmen. The only thing that apparently
doesn't work is anaconda, as well as some glibc threading issues, but
otherwise, it's all good.
Policy for issuing updates
Ralf Corsepius brings up an issue
where bugs are closed as fixed in Rawhide, but updates are never
released (or backported, so to speak) for current releases of Fedora.
Mark McLoughlin says that if the fix should be backported, re-open
the bug report
, and provided the maintainer has time, it should get
backported. This can also change when the Fedora development process
widens. Elliot Lee takes a different
, since Fedora is supposed to be on the leading edge of open
source technology, and we only have finite time in each day, so
developer time should be spent on the next release; but doesn't exactly
discourage getting backports, once the Fedora development process with
external contributors is more well-defined. The entire thread is
definitely a good read, as this is an issue
that will have to get resolved in time.
The Rawhide Report
As testing has begun with FC3 test1, there have been some changes,
issues and many other interesting new things that users will be seeing
in the near future. Here are some of the recent discussions that circle
- FAM has since vanished, with gamin being its replacement. Daniel
Veillard has given a brief description of what its all about at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-August/msg00349.html.
- gqview has been removed
from Rawhide, as it performs similar tasks to gThumb. This is a package
that is now ideal for inclusion into Fedora Extras.
- GNOME 2.7 is what Rawhide is being
updated to, with the inclusion of new applications like dasher,
evolution-webcal, gnome-keyring-manager, and gnome-nettool.
- bash is now at version 3.0, and the default prompt has changed.
If you want it back, Mike Klinke points to an excerpt
from the BASH FAQ.
3.3.0 is being used for FC3, even though it won't be in upstream
GNOME 2.8. This is so that there's better Indic support, and will
benefit languages such as Hindi greatly.
A few more bits and pieces
- Pogo Linux has
signed a deal with Apple Computers to be a reseller of their hardware,
with the main intention of selling Fedora Core pre-installed on Apple
systems. This is originally targeted at cluster environments, but this
might also branch out to individual system sales as well as possibly
laptops. So there's more backing for the PPC community now.
- The Unofficial FAQ has
as of August 13th 2004.
- List statistics from fedora-list, for July
- At the Ottawa Linux Symposium, there was also a Fedora BOF that
went quite well, where quite a few developers hung out at. Read Justin
Forbes report, and a thanks goes out to Jeremy Katz for organsing
- Fedora was well represented at LinuxWorld, including a Fedora BOF
Session as well as a Fedora Panel. Read Jesse
report, or even Justin
Forbes or Tom
'spot' Callaway. A big thanks goes out to Jack Aboutboul for
organising all of this.
Jack has also provided a write-up of the event.
LinuxWorld was held in the Moscone Center in San Francisco,
CA on August 3 - 5. There were many activities going on, on the
Fedora front. First, there was the traditional Fedora BoF, held on
Wednesday, August 4th. A crowd of about 25-30 people showed up,
and were treated to Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, as usual. The
discussion topics varied from "when to use Fedora vs. RHEL," all the
way to the AMD64 port and general use discussions.
On August 5th, Fedora
representatives had the great opportunity to give one of the actual
conference sessions, about Fedora. The panel for the session was
made up of Havoc Pennington, Jesse Keating, Justin Forbes and Jack
Aboutboul. The session entitled, "Fedora Project: The Opening of
an Already Open Source Project," lasted an hour and 15 minutes and drew
a crowd of around 150 people. This seemed to be the largest
attendance for a session at LinuxWorld. The outline of topics
well as the presentation
This provided many
community members, as well as developers, engineers, and generally
interested others an insight into the history, status, struggles
and achievements, that the project has achieved thus far. Many
doubts and issues were resolved at the talk. A large amount of
interest was shown regarding the current and future development of the
project. This was a great session and great opportunity and we would
like to thank IDG for giving us this wonderful opportunity. See
you in Boston.
Pete Zaitcev wrote in about the last issue, when with regards to the
"howto" for FC2 and the USB multi-card readers. He mentions that it is extremely dangerous
to build kernels
that match the EXTRAVERSION of an already installed kernel - its very
easy to make your system unbootable. This is why -custom was added.
Also, setting max_scsi_luns should be all thats required in
/etc/modprobe.conf. If SCSI doesn't scan USB devices rightly, please
let Pete (or Bugzilla) know.
Toshio has come out with version 0.4 of the QA Assistant. The QA
Assistant is meant to allow folks to perform fedora.us QA, with a GUI.
For more details, read http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-August/msg00102.html
or visit http://www.sf.net/projects/qa-assistant
Alan Cox has recently built Xapian
, which he thinks is a good replacement to htdig, which
scales a lot better and can do a whole lot more.
Helix & Real
The Helix Player will be included in the upcoming Fedora Core 3 (read: https://helixcommunity.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=143
Also, Real Player 10 Gold has been released, and Thomas Chung has more
information at: http://fedoranews.org/tchung/realplayer/
Xorg CVS snapshots
Kristian has started packaging Xorg CVS snapshots for Fedora Core 2,
and they're available at http://freedesktop.org/~krh
Read the announcement
if you're testing, since he'd like Bugzilla responses too.
If you thought YUM needed a GUI, Alexander Dalloz points
This is a repackaged YUM GUI, by Cobind.
David Norris has posted some of this GDM
, while Seth Vidal points to a possibe FC3
OpenOffice.org with GNOME Print UI demo
Caolan McNamara has posted a little demo of OpenOffice.org 1.9m49,
which has the GNOME Print UI dialog. Read more at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-August/msg00036.html
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